So they can understand each other, but if you don't know much about those fields, it will mostly sound like gibberish. Part of the problem may be the book's age. The original premise dates from the mids.
This revised edition is from the late 70s. Computers, and the associated terminology, have changed so much since then that the computer-related concepts in the novel seem strange.
For example, it appears that the characters enter programs by hand, by manipulating input circuits. While I'm pretty sure stored-program computers existed in the period, the ship computer in the book seems to operate on older principles. Another problem is that not much happens in a plot sense. A lot of the book is each of the four main characters thinking to themselves. They all have intellectual revelations that bring them to higher states of consciousness and understanding, but the descriptions of these events aren't nearly as illuminating as the experiences themselves appear to be.
This book is followed by at least one sequel, "The Jesus Incident". The Jesus Incident is a better i. This novel is difficult to like and impossible to love. The plot is straightforward and actually has a lot of potential. A ship with an active crew of four, along with three thousand colonists in hibernation is faced with the challenge of building an artificial intelligence to ensure the success of their mission.
The complications to this plot are what add the really interesting elements: The crew and colonists are all clones, the ship's system failures and poor design may have been intentional, This novel is difficult to like and impossible to love.
The complications to this plot are what add the really interesting elements: The crew and colonists are all clones, the ship's system failures and poor design may have been intentional, and some of the crew members know more about what's going on than others. All great starting elements for a fine science fiction story. The problem is the execution. Herbert chooses to avoid advancing the plot for long stretches in lieu of extended dialogues featuring the crew arguing with each other over theoretical concepts in artificial intelligence.
If I had read this novel as a child when I read Dune and many other Sci Fi classics, I might have thought it was too intellectual for me.
Reading as an adult, I have enough confidence in my experience and intelligence to recognize that much of Herbert's computer science technobabble is complete nonsense. The characters spend long periods of time espousing their theories on the nature of consciousness in the most vague and general way, and then rush over to implement those theories on the "Ox" their electronic test bed in mere minutes.
We are given to believe that it's all so obvious once the theory is understood, but it comes off completely ridiculous to readers who know that implementation is the greater challenge. I was also frustrated by the constantly floating point of view, which in many cases shifts from one paragraph to the next. Herbert includes so many internal reflections and monologues from the four main characters, that it can sometimes be confusing who is thinking what.
I wanted to like this novel, and I did enjoy the big ideas, as well as the reminder that developing an AI is a very risky undertaking. However, the reading experience was something of an ordeal. In some ways I identified with the crew members, feeling myself stuck in a pressure cooker trying to get to the end of story.
Oct 09, Derek Verlee rated it really liked it. Herbert's imagination is staggering as always. The idea is a very good one, an almost flow of consciousness discussion of the undefinable nature consciousness, but set within a plot happening aboard a spaceship, an arc-ship, filled with thousands of suspended, sleeping, travelers.
Space is an enormous void. They are traveling at near relativistic speeds, threatened seemingly by It is the sinking ship story, more along the lines of the distressed submarine story, but space is so much more quiet, Herbert's imagination is staggering as always.
They are traveling at near relativistic speeds, threatened seemingly by It is the sinking ship story, more along the lines of the distressed submarine story, but space is so much more quiet, the dangerous so much more strange, its violence striking without warning or explanation. Sink or swim , repeats another. The four crew, awake, or so they believe, responsible for the thousands of others, encounter strange problems until they are forced to realize things are not what they seem, the mission, they had been bred and trained their whole lives for, isn't the destination at all.
The mission is to conquer the void, and not merely the void of space. Unfortunately, a good percentage of the words in this short novel are techno babble and not all of it has aged particularly well. It think that this is intermixed with honest attempts at guessing at the math an science that would be appropriate. It gets quite thick. However despite these dense treatises, he manages to with a subtle guide of tone establish a sort of exquisite moodiness, oppressive edginess, an expanding negative energy, the mood itself is visceral.
The senses are invoked, all of them, somehow, even while Herbert is in the middle of a several page philosophical attack, in the voices of his characters. Another great Herbert book, I come away satisfied. As a computer programmer, i particularly enjoyed this novel because its largely around technical problems.
Specifically it deals with teh technical problems of building a computer system that mimics human functions. At some points it seems to degrade into a "technobabble" type blather, but it doesnt s Another great Herbert book, I come away satisfied. At some points it seems to degrade into a "technobabble" type blather, but it doesnt stay there for long. The solutions to the ongoing technical problems make sense and are bounded at least in some way of real-world concepts. This book is not very long, and a large chunk is dedicated to the solving of these technical problems, so it may not be everyone's cup of tea.
I however enjoyed a book about engineering challenges of fictional technology. I found the universe to be very interesting and well-fleshed out - it felt lived in. I can see why this became the basis of an additional three novels. Its definitely a herbert book. Black has also been an innovator in the use of electronics in improvisation, bridging the gap between electro-acoustic improv and more jazz-based traditions. Today, Black's performances are just as likely to feature his laptop-based electronic textures as his drumming.
After cementing their personal and artistic relationships in Seattle's various youth jazz ensembles, in they moved to Boston, where Black entered the Berklee School of Music. By , Black and the other members of Human Feel had moved to New York City, where they electrified the Downtown music scene then centered around the Knitting Factory and rapidly became among the city's busiest sidemen. The album is named after a novel by Frank Herbert concerning a mission into space to create an artificial consciousness, a mission which is designed to use the frustrations, failures and imminent destruction of the crew to propel them to new levels of creativity.
Destination: Void is an epic, cinematic synthesis of personalities, sci-fi, lengthy compositions, dense improvisation and sound design. The piece explores the side of Parker's personality interested in acrostics, word play and puzzles. For Gary Rydstrom and Ben Burtt is a monumental solo vehicle for Sam Pluta, and is dedicated to two of the most innovative sound designers in science fiction and action cinema.
Make it So, modeled loosely on the overlapping orbital cycles of celestial bodies, plays out as a series of musical holograms, images appearing, disappearing and reappearing slightly transformed, moving in and out of phase with each other. The final piece, Tresillo, uses it's eponymous rhythmic pattern- found in music all over the world and particularly music which traces its roots to the African diaspora- as a kind of basic musical genome which replicates and transforms itself through the musical drama, featuring every member of the ensemble in turn.
This music was rehearsed and performed extensively from to and culminated with a recording residency and concert at the state of the art facility EMPAC in March Destination: Void is the culmination of the the second chapter of the Peter Evans Quintet, and also serves to introduce a new member, the spectacular Ron Stabinsky on the piano and prepared piano. The band has relentlessly focused on new combinations of notated and improvised music in an electro-acoustic setting and has amassed a wide range of original material.
Their music has been documented on the highly acclaimed "Ghosts" album from , the cinematic, monumental compositions on their recent " Destination: Void " and most recently with a new set of music commissioned as part of Evans' residency at Issue Project Room in NYC. Please verify that you are not a robot. Would you also like to submit a review for this item? You already recently rated this item. Your rating has been recorded. Write a review Rate this item: 1 2 3 4 5. Preview this item Preview this item.
Subjects Science fiction. More like this User lists Similar Items. Allow this favorite library to be seen by others Keep this favorite library private. I disagree with the bad comments. I read only the french translation a long time ago so I cannot say about the style. But I still remember very well the story and the subject.
For me this book is highly philosophical about the notion of consciousness: would a clone or a computer have a consciousness? This question is still very valid when you want to think about the human condition. I don't know if the book is improved in the novelization, but the Galaxy version "Do I wake or dream" was awful.
Post a Comment. More than 10, books and stories rated and reviewed! Frank Herbert "Destination: Void". It's a layered cake of ideas and a scientific extrapolation on a genius level. This Wikipedia article does a pretty good job in filling us in on the plot: "In the future, humankind has tried to develop artificial intelligence, succeeding only once, and then disastrously.
Extinction of the soul does not mean annihilation; it acts as an instrument of the spirit. The world is the kingdom of the soul, and life is a continuous projection outward.
External attraction is great ignorance, and our reason cannot destroy this attraction, but concrete facts do. To set ourselves free of our possessions is not enough: we have to break possessiveness. Attraction cannot exist without an illusory possession. The world attracts by means of material, affective and intellectual possessions.
But its attraction is not only direct, but also through worldly internal states, which move us away from contemplation. Many souls live ascetically amid mortification and prayer, and do not understand how, after so many efforts, they keep the same type of attitude before the world, and remain in the dark before the Divine Mother: these souls are worldly within.
We are worldly within when we live centered on the world, not on Renunciation. Saint John of the Cross says: who cares how thin is the thread that ties a bird if this thread always shall prevent this bird from flying. This does not mean that our spiritual contemplation shall occur just in the end of the path. We may be imperfect, but not worldly.
A central idea must move the soul, and this idea may differ from our words. Very often we talk of our attachment to something because we fear this tie is not broken. Many fervent souls usually experience great outbursts of divine love while they pray, but are unable to contemplate because they still possess many emotions, which should be purified and calmed.
Great soul movements never become a quite high prayer. When prayer is higher, inner movements are much simpler and more essential; then it is just a state of presence as a simple movement in itself. Contemplation is the only good of the spirit, because contemplation is a direct contact with the Divine Mother.
We are told contemplation is blissful, but not in a sensorial sense. Here senses are inactive and practically non existent. The soul sense is deep and simple, but never emotional. To reach a real contemplation we should be deprived of emotions, because emotions do not respond to our will. Virtuous deeds stop being acts, and become super-understanding and human tolerance through direct contact with the reality and truth of life.
At the same time, this is an absolute spiritual solitude, within our reach after a great sensorial solitude. This solitude is like that of a snowy peak, —inaccessible to the majority of mortals. We have to descend to our inner solitude, —to our absolute solitude in the heart. But we have to descend alone. There is an inaccessible place to all in our soul, with the exception of the Son and the Divine Mother.
First you experience a sensorial solitude; you feel alone —nobody can be with you or near you. This is not a permanent active awareness of divine company, but a total taste of being and eternity, and also a taste of becoming inaccessible to contingencies of life and beings. You can descend to them, but they cannot come to you. Teaching 2: Absorption.
In essence, life of prayer usually is deep absorption. In these states of prayer, you shall find this inner point: participation. If on any ascetic-mystical path certain time is established for prayer and spiritual exercises, not always the latter are enough for absorption when the soul reduces prayer to them.
Moreover, in many cases, Sons that really achieve absorption are severely tried out and feel dry and absent-minded while they meditate. Even though their trials are unimportant, this experience is significant in those people who are insufficiently devoted to prayer, particularly because their life style demands much movement, continuous talk and very little propitious environment to inner life.
When you are more in need of an inner switch, you need more detachment and absorption. You can pray continuously, but if your prayer is not subconscious, then you are finally involved in an activity that in the beginning attracts your attention.
Moreover, continuous talks and socialization with persons of ideas and purposes that are opposite to those of the Son, give rise to contrary power centers in which you consume rapidly this power. You do not counteract always this attraction by means of simple jaculatories or fixed prayers. You need an inverse soul movement: inner fixation is absorption. You have to unveil the secret of this movement, and to have the key to this chamber of your heart. If you do not pay attention to this, you stop rapidly being devoted to Renunciation, and only a deep absorption can sustain your Renunciation.
Nothing changes outside, everything goes on the same in the ordinary routine of daily actions; but here life is absent —a life that a simple external performance cannot sustain, but needs inner stability and determination of your soul: it needs mystique of Renunciation made life and union.
You need this irresistible inner magnet: the Divine Mother. Teaching 3: State of Absorption. To speak about absorption does not mean a sensible state that a soul enjoys in certain type of prayer without distractions. Even absorption is not a natural self-concentration produced by activities that require of attention, or of more or less intense concentration on daily duties.
Absorption nothing has to do with that of states of prayer, though the latter prepare us to it. Absorption cannot be characteristic of a state; absorption is the state itself. The so called states of absorption are only more or less lasting manifestations, produced by certain persistent type of prayer and life. Absorption as a state is a visible expression of Renunciation, which is produced by an inverse soul movement. It is an inverse movement not only in regard to an attraction toward worldly things, but also inverse movement to any determined sense.
An inverse movement is not a movement in opposite sense, but a movement without an apparent sense: negativity as spiritual state. So, absorption is permanence, because of its non-determined characteristic. What is determined is always within pairs of opposites and within a cyclic rhythm. What is non-determined is a real state that is independent from time, dimension and orientation. All usual states of absorption develop in another dimension, that is to say, in a dimension. They have orientation, so they also have a beginning and end; so, they are not absorption.
Absorption is an inner soul movement, which is Renunciation. Seemingly, all this is disconnected from the reality, which needs states, actions and stimuli leading to absorption, but this is not so. Absorption as a state does not negate different states of absorption, since by being a state, it cannot have a position. The level of absorption is the first signal you have to look for in order to know on what plane a soul lives and develops. Even the most wonderful tasks and actions do not acquire a transcendental level of existence; only one thing grants divine character to a work: the spiritual level of inner life in those souls that achieve such work.
While the souls develop, think and live in dual thoughts, aims, sufferings and problems, their circle becomes potentially worldly-spiritual. Movement in this circle does not make any sense in Cafh. Cafh would have no real value without the divine sense, which is given by the transcendental trait of Renunciation. Teaching 4: Contemplative Life. Contemplation does not detach you from contingencies of life. Material things are not evil, but your type of relation with them may be evil.
Evil is eagerness and desire, which settle life on a material level. Eagerness levels and likewise this occurs with desire. When you achieve a quite deep inner life, then your attitude may be indifferent toward external things.
Indifference is a deviation from the mystical path, and impedes a true realization, which is expansion through participation. But, this participation, which is static, also appears as indifference when in reality it is not so; and it makes the world be unable to understand a true contemplative being or his apparently indifferent attitude toward human things. Contemplative life is not permanent contemplation of divine mysteries, but ascetic routine of renunciation, which transforms the most trivial actions into true spiritual pillars; the latter are a source of experience, understanding and illuminative prayer.
Sean Jewitt. Paul Burnett. Sven Shah. Seth Larson. Johnny Church. Brian Manning. Shayne Soderstrom. Nick Rigano. Wade Munson. The Doom Loom. Craig Williams. Bar Willie. Michael Caplan. Alexandre Avelar.Destination: Void is the first of four books set in the eponymous universe of Herbert's making, also sometimes known as the Pandora series. The action in this book centers around an "umbilicus" crew of four and their ship, Earthling, that is carrying a massive cargo of hibernating colonists meant to colonize a planet in the distant Tau Ceti /5().